I know I have both Christians and scientists who read my blog (as well as people who would not attribute either label to themselves). I hope this post inspires some (friendly) discussion about science and faith (and not necessarily the Christian faith, at least in this post, but the faith of a higher, all-powerful Being). I am very interested in hearing what you all have to say! This is most likely going to be a long post, but I encourage you to read and respond to it, because I think it's an important issue that deserves discussion.
As someone who's gone to a Christian church for years, I've sort of always pushed the questions and theories of science to the wayside to make room for my faith. The church believes one thing; science believes another, and they definitely don't agree and they can't seem to get along, so I'm just going to ignore it. But darn it, I'm the inquisitive type. So I've undertaken a journey to learn more about science and faith, and to see if the two are reconcilable. Surely if God is the God of the universe, He can hardly be threatened by my lowly efforts to find out the workings of His natural world, right? Galileo, who found himself lodged squarely between science and the church when he posited that the earth went around the sun and not vice versa, said, "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." And so it is with this mentality I begin.
Please note that I am NOT a scientist. I was an English major, and now I'm an editor by trade and I remember only odds and ends from biology and chemistry and other science classes in college and high school. My personal knowledge is extremely limited in this area and that's why I'm undertaking this search. I am also not a theologian, although I would say I know more about theology than I do about science.
My search has stared with the Language of God, by Francis Collins. Collins is a nationally recognized scientist, one who was instrumental in the mapping of the human genome, which is apparently really important to medical advances, as well as other areas of science (I think Steve Betz has mentioned it on occasion). He is also a Christian. The Language of God was his attempt to explain to the general public how he has reconciled what he believes about science -- including the ever-so-debatable theory of evolution -- with what he believes in his heart to be true about God. I'm not sure if I agree with everything said in this book, and I'm still trying to discover how his theories might mesh with my own, but I think he has a lot of good things to think about.
Although this statement didn't appear until well into the book, I thought it was a good observation to start out with: "Science alone is not enough to answer all the important questions... The meaning of human existence, the reality of God, the posibility of an afterlife, and many other spiritual questions lay outside of the reach of the scientific method. While an athiest may claim that those questions are therefore unanswerable and irrelevant, that does not resonate with most individual's human experience." This is why searching is worth it at all, I think. Later he says, "Science is not the only way of knowing. The spiritual worldview provides another way of finding truth."
This book probably could have been a thousand pages long, but Collins decides to focus on what he calls BioLogos (from the Greek word for life bios and the Greek word for word -- or Word, in a higher sense -- logos), which has the more widespread (but still relatively unknown) title of "theistic evolution." He sees the scientific evidence for evolution (especially in reference to DNA) as compelling, yet he also sees evidence for God -- namely in what CS Lewis dubbed Moral Law. Collins believes that because we, as humans, have this innate sense of right and wrong that doesn't seem to fit with evolution. Atheists would say that there is evidence for how this sense would have evolved, Christians say that God wrote it on our hearts. Moral Law is one of my own personal evidences for the existence of God as well.
BioLogos looks like this (to Collins -- there are other variations):
- The universe came into being out of nothingness approximately 14 billion years ago.
- Despite massive improbabilities, the properties of the universe appear to have been precisely tuned for life.
- While the precise mechanism of the origin of life on earth remains unknown, once life arose, the process of evolution and natural selection permitted the development of biological diversity and complexity over very long periods of time.
- Once evolution got underway, no special supernatural intervention was required.
- Humans are a part of this process, sharing a common ancestor with the great apes.
- But humans are also unique in ways that defy evolutionary explanation and point to our spiritual nature. This includes the existence of Moral Law (the knowledge of right and wrong) and the search for God that characterizes all human cultures throughout history.
Wow. That's not something that you'll hear at most churches on a Sunday morning. The American Association of Lutheran Church, the group to which my church belongs, professes a literal six-day Creationist view. Collins deems this as incompatible with modern science, but is held onto by "sincere, well-meaning, God-fearing Christians who are driven by deep concerns that naturalism is threatening to drive God out of the human experience." This makes sense -- most believe that if there's evolution, there's no need for God. Instead, Collins posits that the creation account in Genesis is not a literal translation, but does have a more lyrical and allegorical flavor, like the Song of Solomon or the Psalms. Collins believes that "the intention of the Bible was (and is) to reveal the true nature of God to humankind. Would it have served God's puposes thirty-four hundred years ago to lecture to His people about radioactive decay, geological strata, and DNA?" Of course, there is always a concern with liberal translations of the Bible -- people can read into anything. But Collins feels there is a difference between these more allegorical books and books with eyewitness testimony and historical accounts, such as the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament. Collins finds that BioLogos to be both scientifically consistent and spiritually satisfying.
I think my biggest concern with all of this is how many times in history things have been attributed to God when, in fact, they have had a very logical scientific reasons -- solar eclipses, the movement of the planets, etc. If evolution is true (I'm not saying that it is, but go with me on this), then sticking by our standard Creation story is actually doing a disservice to faith. For when a person who has grown up in the church goes out into the world and finds a lot of contradictory information, there's a good chance that the person will walk away from the faith completely. It's like the God of the Gaps theory. God fills in where science has no explanation. Problem is, if science does find a solution, God is squeezed out. Instead, perhaps we should, as people of faith, be looking to God as the Author and Perfector of all things, even if all things were done a little bit differently than we have been taught to believe.
I know this is a basic basic basic overview of what this books is about, and it doesn't really cover the few reasons Collins gives about why he chose Christianity over other faiths, but this post was getting long enough that I thought most people might start skipping over this post if I kept going. I'm interested in knowing what you all think. I'm still not sure what I think about it all!
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Did God create the Earth in six days? Certainly not.
Did the universe come into being out of nothing 14 billion years ago? Certainly not.
My lack of faith comes from my lack of understanding of where God came from. Did God come into being out of nothing? Certainly not. This also informs my lack of faith in science.
Everything has to come from somwhere, you can't get something from nothing.
I know I'm trying to apply logic to something that is inherently illogical but I can't get past it on either side.
I am fascinated by people who choose one religion over the other. I always want to know why. Even I as a non-believer have a preference. I would be Jewish. My reasoning is kind of difficult to explain so I won't go into it here.
Paganism comes in a close second though.
Great post. My dad is a scientist who is Christian (not to be confused with Christian Science!) and has really been intruiged by those questions. He actually just taught a class on evolution for our church. He doesn't believe in evolution, but because the scientific evidence is shaky, not because believing in evolution would weaken his faith. I'll try and remember to ask him what books he's read on the subject.
I absolutely believe that science and God are not mutually exclusive. Sometimes it seems like the more we know about how things work, the more miraculous it becomes, and the more questions it raises.
I have no read any of Collins' books but have looking forward to after reading about his conversion. He has such a prominent position as director of the Human Genome Project and his conversion is a pretty huge deal I think.
No, I don't believe in a literal six day creation and I am always confused when people assume that the creation account in Genesis is a scientific account and not part of the narrative that the ancient Hebrews would have been used to and passed down from generation to generation. Of course God created the universe, by why would we limit his creative finger to six days? Beats me.
Anyway, I could go on and on about this subject but that wouldn't be very appropriate. I will do a little self promotion now (so please feel free to ignore); I have written about a lot about the relationship between science and religion and if you happened to want to read a few of my thoughts, here are a few of my posts: God in the Nucleus, The God of the Bible is also the God of Science (with some thoughts about Collins), Creation Science, Science vs. Religion.
Well said! I really don't have a problem with people believe in a literal six day creation or whatever else (because really, our salvation isn't contingent on what we believe here), but to ignore God's hand in the universe is silly. Science can show us wonderful things about what God has done!
Again, well said! I do think that, in general, science and religion are asking different questions (how vs. why), but that they also compliment each other very well and religion cannot just be something that fills in the gaps as it were (and I suppose science cannot be used that way either).
Ok, I am getting long again! Sorry! Lovely post, I love this stuff!
Cori -- Best. Post. Ever. (and I mean it) -- thoughtful and most assuredly un-preachy. Having been a scientist for 20 years, and curious all my life, this is one that has rattled around in me for years and years.
The other weekend when we went to LA -- we saw the planetarium show -- which was really phenomenal. The central theme was that throughout mankind's history we've looked into the sky to explain the world (creation) and our place in it. This has been done religiously for millenia (don't we always look "up" to Heaven?) -- and scientifically for centuries. And the great thing was, they made it very clear that we don't understand this universe -- not by a long-shot.
We can observe evolution occur in real-time. We share a common ancestor with everything on this planet. Does that make us any less miraculous? I don't think so. In fact, I think the real miracle is that we have the capacity to delve into our own nature -- in fact, I think we are charged with trying to understand our place in the universe.
I believe our relationship with God is about knowing our place in this universe and our place beyond it. The scientific method can do one -- it can't do the other.
I'm gonna stop here and think some more -- but Francis Collins is really under-appreciated. The HGP was finished ahead-of-schedule and under-budget. Its the tip of the iceberg in understanding our genetic complexity as a species. We'll be unraveling this for decades.
I'll try and formulate a post in the future on why I've chosen Christianity over other religions. I didn't become religious until high school, and my religion isn't the religion of my parents. I find it interesting as well to learn why people believe what they believe.
I also think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that this isn't a salvation issue. It's something I should have touched on in my post. Well done. :)
I guess I'm just not one of those people who has ever needed to question. Hebrews 11:1 takes care of that for me. I take the above matters (and a whole bunch of others) on pure faith. If I'm wrong, I figure it probably doesn't affect a whole lot of things -- certainly not my salvation -- and if it does, God will show me. :)
Cori -- its funny -- I know lots of scientist of faith. At my company, I interact daily with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus -- its a real melting pot -- and we all ask questions of our faith. When I was in graduate school, I taught 7th-8th grade religious education (Catholic CCD) with a young woman that was a grad student in astronomy (wow -- did i ever have a crush on her... she had the best hair....anyway, I'm getting off-topic...) --- we liked to describe how we each saw the miraculous nature of Creation from different sides -- she from the astronomically large --- myself from the small molecular side. I'm not sure the kids got it, but we liked it...
And I don't think that science is out to destroy religion -- nor do I think that religion is out to undermine science. As with political extremism -- zealotry on either side is very dangerous --- and a closed-mind really is a waste. I think anyone that thinks they have God and/or the universe figured out is fooling themselves.
It's gotten a lot of negative publicity from religous people, but I think Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion has a lot to say about the ideas/issues you mention here. For instance, Dawkins pretty effectively criticizes the hypothesis that the "properties of the universe appear to have been precisely tuned for life." Those passages really affected me.
I'm still trying to figure out what I think about Dawkins (the book is not, however, nearly as combative as some have indicated) and, well, everything else. But I absolutely think his work is required reading right now for anyone trying to figure out whether science and religion ought to have a relationship.
Interesting that you referenced the particular quote from Galileo that you did. Those words were the final words he spoke, after a lifetime of having been intermittedly persecuted by the church for his theories, and having lived under house arrest for much of his final years. And the current pope felt obliged to state several years ago that "the process against Galileo was reasonable and just." (Well, when one considers that others who held his theories were burned alive, that may be a relatively mild statement.) One of the reasons he was persecuted was for espousing the Copernican assertion that the solar system was heliocentric (planets revolving around the sun). No thinking believer would claim that the earth is the center of the solar system.
I see nothing in the theory of evolution which contradicts the belief that there is an unseen hand at work behind the scenes. Indeed, Darwin posited that evolution was a demonstration of the greater majesty of the Creator, not a dimunition thereof.
Indeed, the more that science uncovers, the more awed I am by all that God has wrought. I will try to say this without rancor: Why must we suppose that God needed to dumb down creation for out benefit?
And what of the fact that there are two creation stories in Genesis; one in Chapter one, and one in Chapter two? Man in created by God in his image and likeness on the sixth day in Chapter one, but not until after the seventh day in Chapter two.
How is it that key elements in the story of creation appear to have been directly adapted from Sumerian and Babylonian and Akkadian mythology? Are we to suppose that God spoke to the Sumerians and Babylonians and Akkadians, just so the story would be passed onto the Chosen People?
Why is it so difficult to believe that the creation of God is infinitely more complex than our ancestors several thousand years ago could possibly conceive of? Certainly, just because we find creation so complex, why would we assume that God finds it complex? After all, to a being of infinite mind and spirit and range, the process of creation and evolution, which seems so unbelievably complicated to us, would seem no more complicated than lighting a match.
Of course, that leads to the question of why could not such a being also accomplish all of this in six to eight days? I guess that my answer comes out of my belief that God doesn't try to trick us. And it seems odd that there would exist a fossil record which, based on sound dating, clearly contradicts Bishop Usher's supposition as to the age of the earth. Indeed, does not Second Peter state that to God, time is as nothing? Why would we suppose that God need be limited to a time period with which our puny minds feel comfortable? Is not the enormous panorama of millions of years more likely than some cheap parlor trick?
There are other stories in the Bible which may also have elements of allegory, or may attempt to explain natural phenomena by placing them in some legendary context. For example, the story of Moses contains several elements which might be explained by the eruption of Thera. And, although the timing is off, the flooding of what is now the Black Sea by the Mediterranean occurred about 7000 years ago, and would have had a catatrophic effect on any peoples who might have settled along the banks of what then was a fresh water lake. Would it have been unusual for the tale of such an event to have been passed down orally for millenia?
I am probably getting too far afield. My primary point is that I see no reason to question my faith in a Higher Power, based upon what appear to be rational explanations, based on rigorous research, into the workings of the world and universe, simply because they do not conform to the yearnings of those whose faith has failed to grow to match our understanding of the glory of God.
And of course his book is combative, he is explicitly denying the existence of deity, how can that not be combative?
Dawkins' claims about God, especially Yahweh, clearly show that he doesn't actually know much about the Bible or what it says. Just doing a quick search at wikipedia, Dawkins notes that God "arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak, a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." That just made me laugh (well, and weep). Atheists have been spewing that tripe for years (and will continue to do so) without actually studying (and understanding) the passages that they use to make these claims against God.
I have no doubt that Dawkins is great at rhetoric, but I have no doubt that his arguments are lacking (and it seems at least some are merely ad hominem attacks). I have no doubt that he will convince many, but his cause is hollow.
Dawkins is doing a disservice to everyone, Atheists, Believers, Agnostics, Scientists...everyone.
It was an interview with Dawkins that actually started me on the path to nhilism from being atheist. After I read about how he essentially attempting to replace religion with science, I was aghast. For my money science has just as many answers, if not fewer, as religion about the "deep" questions of the ages. Why would I take the word of either when neither have the answers I seek?
He and his followers are way antagonistic. They are just as bad as some the people they are claiming to disapprove of.
To me proselytization is an all around bad deal be it religious or scientific. But that is a whole different argument/conversation/discussion.
Not all atheists are as combative as the ones you hear about in books and in the news. Most of them just silently don't believe. Attacks on atheists as a whole are just as combative as the attacks Dawkins and his colleagues use against people of faith. Quite frankly, it is those attacks that spur Dawkins to be as combative as he is, in my opinion.
I feel like I am taking over your post Cori, sorry!
I'm in a position of teetering between Judaism (the reason I type G-d instead of spelling it out) and agnosticism. For that reason, I am protective of both atheists and religious people because the two groups should be able to live with each other. I guess the problem is that faith is such a powerful thing that some people get too passionate about it through hateful words or violence. Sometimes I'm afraid that Dawkins' use of the former with inspire the latter.
Wow! I leave my computer for a day and it's commentapalooza around here! Thank you for all your thoughts about this -- I'm entranced.
I'm not going to respond to every comment individually this time because I'm writing this stealthily at work. :)
I've heard of Dawkins work but I haven't read anything by him. I'm concerned that the intent of my search is not to rule out one side or the other (science or religion), but to find ways that the two can coexist, at least at this point. Plus I cannot agree with Dawkins' assertions about God -- yes, God is Justice, but he's also Love which I think is readily apparent in the Bible. Anyway, I'm not sure I'm ready for Dawkins, plus the publicity stunts make him seem ridiculous and petty. Perhaps someday.
After thinking a lot about this the last few days, I think that the big point for me is that the scientific discovery should not negate the need for God. Instead, I prefer to think of God as the creator of science. Which is much better than thinking of Him as living in all the spaces where science has yet to find an explanation. I also agree that we'll never understand everything on either side. Again, science asks the "How?" and faith asks the "Why?" and therefore they can never completely reconcile.
I think I'm rambling. Sigh.
Thanks everyone, for your insights. :)
I'll put the "God of the gaps" idea another way.
People's faith is weak.
It's one thing to have faith in a god; faith that God exists even though you can't see him, can't hear him, can see any evidence in him.
But most people don't have this kind of faith.